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Blog EntryAug 1, '07 6:29 PM
by wittkeburrodriver for everyone
Hi - my name's Alan.  I found this site sometime in the last week or two while doing some research and got completely sidetracked reading all the info and the posts.   I realize now that I know very little about the industry and very little about my own equipment, other than the day to day operation and maintenance of it - especially the history of it.
 
I own a small company with a couple trucks,a couple contracts, a couple of employees and we are out in a small rural area of Manitoba and had no idea just how huge the industry was.  We are celebrating this week - 12 years of business and it's been 12 years of highs and lows.  We are just digging ourselves out of yet another low and the past month has been insane but things are looking up.
 
When we bought the business it came with two trucks and the remaining time of a contract for a small resort town that triples in population (and garbage) over the summer months. A couple years later we added another truck and a second contract for the rural part of a larger municipality running back country roads 2 days/week.
Our original trucks are a '78 Ford F700 with a 15yrd Leach packer and a '79 Ford F700 with a 16yrd Leach packer.  I'd guess the ages of the packers to be about the same as the trucks.  It wasnt' until I started reading this site that I really started looking into what exactly we had.  I dug through the box of manuals/books that came with the trucks and I have operators manuals/parts manuals/flowcharts etc for a T3 Sanicruiser, 2R-Packmaster, S-II Packmaster and Standard Packmaster.  This morning I found a sheet of paper stapled into the Standard Packmaster owners manual  --- the original delivery report for the 16yrd packer dated 26/5/77 from Fer-Marc Equipment out of Regina Saskatchewan.  A little more history uncovered.  
 
I do know that since August '95, at least one of the Packmasters has been on the road and in service at all times (we alternated between the two - when one truck needed repair or manitenance we'd pull it off the route and switch to the other truck for awhile) which was probably the case with the previous owner.  The last safety inspection sticker on the 16yrd is dated '04 and the truck has been parked since then and has been used as a parts source to keep the older truck/packer on the go.   Up until last week, the 15yrd packer was in service 3 days a week but unfortunately the old Ford has come to the end of it's life.  We knew it was coming and that's how I ended up here at ClassicRefuseTrucks while searching the net for new(er) equipment.   The search for newer used equipment - especially in Canada has proven to be very difficult.   We finally decided that for lack of finding anything suitable to buy as a complete unit, we would find a cab/chasis to transfer the Packmaster over to.   It wasn't really a tough decision...until I found CRT.  Now I feel like I'm doing something wrong by not keeping the old truck intact - but business is business and without a packer my business is in deep trouble so that is the plan.   We are in the process of purchasing an '04 International and the Ford was towed yesterday to the garage where the transfer will take place.   I'll try and get some good pics to doccument the event.
 
Oh and I can't forget to tell you about my other truck.   The little workhorse of our business - a 1ton with a little 8yrd Wittke Burro packing unit that right now is working 16hour days doing the work of both trucks while we scramble to get the Packmaster back up and running.  The Burro is sweet little set up that I honestly know nothing about other than the day to day use of.   I have no manuals or info on this set up but boy does it get attention.   I've been asked by a few people including a larger Canadian company for information about it.  Wish I had it to give but we bought it from a small municipality and they didn't have any info on it either and i can't find anything about it online.     Anyway it's a tough little truck and I'll get some pics and hopefully video of it in the near future once things settle down around here.  
 
Alan Dann
wittke burro/leach packmaster owner-operator
 

11 Comments
classicrefusetrucks wrote on Aug 3, '07
All things must pass, and I can understand that old Ford has to go. There is only so much any piece of equip. can take before it affects it's reliability. I'm sure the the new International will make your life a lot easier. Kudos to Leach and the good folks at Oshkosh who built those great packers. 30 years on a rear loader is pretty darn good in any case. Here's hoping you get many more out of it.

It is probably true that many haulers have little interest in the variety and history of refuse equipment, which is to to be expected. When I worked for a small indy hauler, our main concerns were the usual: reliability, ease of use and how much it will pack/carry. Of course, my lifelong interest only increased during this time, and my co-workers mostly found it amusing that I would recite facts about a particular truck the way most people would describe an exotic car !

I'm looking forward to seeing more of your Packmaster, and the intriguing Wittke Burro.I have almost nothing on Wittke prior to the recent Fed Signal and Labrie era trucks. However, one of our members kindly posted a Wittke Clydesdale manual here a while back, and from your description it sounds like the Burro is a smaller version.

For those just joining the discussion, this is a side loader with a loader/packer mechanism loosely based on the old Heil Colectomatic system, only with the hopper behind the cab, pushing the load rearward into the body. An early adaptation of this method was the MB Pack King of the 1960's. A Canadian company called Haul-All has also made this design, and pictures of that model can be seen in my Side Loaders article (in the Photo Albums over at the main page). Perhaps Haul-All acquired the rights from Wittke at some point.

The main disadvantage to the design would be that it cannot be loaded during the packing cycle, and thus is not well adapted to automated cart systems. This may be why it never caught on in a big way. However, this is just the kind of unusual truck we like to see.
classicrefusetrucks wrote on Aug 3, '07
Alan, I found the original post by Jim with the Clydesdale manual. Lo and behold he also posted a sheet on the Wittke Super Burro!

wittke discussion

To view the Clydesdale and Burro literature, scroll down towards the bottom of the page, and click on the hyperlink PDF's attached to Jim's Messages



Eric/packmaster2r
msn-thethundastorm wrote on Aug 4, '07
On behalf of everyone here, welcome aboard! Like you, when I first discovered the site, I had no idea just how many people were into this, but I'm proud to be a part of it!
msn-wmofbristol19007 wrote on Aug 5, '07
Welcome to the site and i have to say i was shocked when i found this site and saw how many others especially 8 and 15 year olds who are involved in the industry and just about know it all about the trucks and equipment not to mention the trash companies such as my favorite Waste Management but anyway what a site as many look at trash and the industry as just that...TRASH for instance i met someon who said they could never tell anyone else that their husband was a trash man or that he worked for a trash company insted they would have to say he is a truck driver and  not a trash man... i find that kinda rediculous but i gess its just an overlooked industry and there will always be those people but  i have to say i am impressed with the site and the amount of people all ages on it! well take care and again Welcome Alan!
msn-georgewuzheer wrote on Aug 7, '07
How do you go about starting a refuse collection company?
msn-packingtrash32 wrote on Aug 10, '07
Alan,  welcome to the CRT website. When you say you know little about the industry, don't feel bad, I have turned wrenches for 7 years on trash trucks, and sold parts for two of the largest trash truck manufacturers for almost 6 years. I still feel I have many more years of knowledge to pick up. I don't think people understand how cool the trash industry really is, but I can tell you we are a rare bread of people. I get way to excited when I see an old trash truck running, or see an EZ Pack on the road picking up trash that I supplied parts for. I must say I am NOT stunned to see your old Leach body's still picking up trash, they were some tough machines in their day. It is even funnier to know Fred Leach( Leach Packers) is on the EZ Pack board of directors. I love talking to him, he has some great old Leach stories from when his father ran the Leach buissness. Anyway welcome, and if I can answer any questions for you, shoot me an email.
msn-mitchellm5 wrote on Aug 16, '07
Hey ALAN!! Welcome aboard once again!
 
Suppose a small company can be better than a fat global one which is what I plan! Boy have I got plans! HAHA! Could you get some pics of your small collection fleet? Love to see some pics of the Burro especially! Is it a Rear or side loader??

TTYL!
Mitch
msn-mitchellm5 wrote on Aug 16, '07
WHOOPS! Just noticed the pics! Nice little trucks you got! Are they hard working and efficient!??!? I know the Burro is after reading! HAHA! Is your company municipal or commercial/both?? Plan to expand the company or buy new trucks?

Mitch
msn-wittkeburrodriver wrote on Sep 7, '07
Hi Everyone ~ thanks for the welcome!
 
August was a long month and we are so glad it's over.   We got financing approval for the '04 International on August 3rd and after four very long, frusterating weeks we finally have the 'new' truck on the road.   The Burro did the work of two trucks for almost 6 weeks and our staff were very patient and worked above and beyond to get the work done as did the mechanic crew who did a great job of transfering everything over to the new truck.  Once we finally got the pump/pto it took them another day and a half to get us up and running.   Unfortunately the company we got the pump/pto from totally dropped the ball.  They had trouble cross referencing the transmission then couldnt' figure out what size pump we needed.   My wife finally called Labrie directly and the service guy there was extremely helpful, giving us all the info we needed within seconds of asking, including part numbers & the name of the nearest dealer.  Unfortunately when we passed this info onto the company they dropped the ball again and it was one excuse after another for more than two weeks as to why they didn't have our parts together yet.    So it took longer than we'd hoped to get back up and running....but finally it's done.  
 
The International has that awesome diesel growl and the pump running off the transmission sounds really odd but it's got so much power and the truck was out working last Friday afternoon for a few hours and again all day Tuesday, chewing up anything and everything we tossed into it - and using much less fuel than that old Ford!   The girls are very happy to have their truck back (yes...the woman on staff outnumber the men most days) and they may even let me drive my own truck once in awhile but for now things are back to normal.  The women out with the big Leach and me with my Burro getting things done!   Next step...expansion.   Hopefully in the near future the municipalities around here will be open to the idea of throwing more work our way. Unfortunately we really are at the mercy of them regarding this.  If those elected to local office don't think it's in their best interest to go private instead of doing it themselves then we don't stand a chance.   In the mean time we are busy trying to catch up on all the side jobs that we've booked - doing construction/reno site clean ups.   Gotta pay for the new truck somehow.
 
 
classicrefusetrucks wrote on Sep 8, '07
Thanks for posting pictures of these trucks. That Burro really stands out, and it's no wonder it garners so much attention. There aren't many refuse trucks that look quite like that!

Unfortunate that you had pump troubles with the Leach, but glad to hear that Labrie is still offering technical support on obsolete models like the standard Packmaster. Sounds like they are making the effort to keep loyal customers in the Leach family. Sitting on that new truck cab really makes for an old vs. new contrast. Those old F-series Fords were so common at one time, and usually supporting a smaller Leach or Gar Wood packer. With Ford's extensive dealer network in N America it's no wonder so many independent haulers chose that model. Thanks for posting these pics and please grace us with some videos when time permits you.

Eric/packmaster2r
msn-trashguy wrote on Sep 20, '07
Hi Alan,
 
I can provide you with more information about the Wittke Burro if you are interested.
I used to work at Wittke and actually built some burros from start to finish.
 
Thanks,
 
Dave
 
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